Name That Shadowy Overlord

[Tip]

I would like to open a discussion about who the hell is running this joint. Our economic power is obviously being siphoned off by the bankers with creative book-keeping, or as I like to call it, "innovative skulduggery". Meanwhile, the politicians sanction this behavior and accelerate it with war, lies and a maze of really cool sounding laws. The media endorses the pillaging through either silence [...crickets...] or B.S., and our schools teach everybody that all this is perfectly normal. The Round Table groups "secretly" pull the strings on these operations, and the Bilderberg Group "secretly" operates the afore-mentioned "secret" operation of the previously described not- so- secret operations. Very sneaky. So, the mystery is, who operates all these f-ing operations?

I suspect it doesn't end with Bilderberg, but we know the cash all rolls uphill... so where does it go? I'm pretty sure the U.N. is just a front. While I am leaning at this time towards the rulers of the Zionist establishment, I don't have much concrete evidence. I'm still looking, but help would be great. These guys are like cockroaches; turn on the light and they're out of there fast as hell....
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Dear NWO,

You will go down soon,

Love,
Tip

[Delphius]

Right on, Tip. When you see the reality of our collective situation, our government, and the whole time line of modern history - not through the rose-colored glasses of deception, but how it truly is - we know there is much more than meets the eye.

Dig a little deeper and some of the pieces come together. The fact that the ancient secret societies of which you speak even exist, with all of their connections to very high places of global authority - the Vatican, the United Nations, and the list goes on - this is all the evidence the intelligent person needs to see there is a manipulation at hand and an initiative to control the many in order to further an agenda that is controlled by the few.

Knowledge of these things is only the beginning. Seeing through the illusion and shedding light on the deception is but the first necessary step to bringing down the old regime. Understanding our history and revealing the mystery is what brings us forward into a new age which is rapidly approaching. The question is how do we wake up from the trance, en masse, to reclaim our individual freedoms, our communities, and our resources? I don't know if I have the answer as yet. but I do know it starts with one person, living the truth, speaking out against the lies, and opting out of the game!

[Tip]

Hi, Delphius

I have seen some small evidence that the roots of some of these secret societies go back into antiquity (granted, I still have a lot of investigating to do). I wonder whether it is a continuance of tradition as taught by families to the children, or a philosophy floating around in some book or another that random would- be parasites adopt in their quest for world domination. I don't suppose it matters much... But I would like to know where to find some better info on who we are dealing with.

Bankers, in my eyes are somewhere near the heart of the problem. The way they manipulate people, markets, and governments through monetary means is evident and disgusting. Usury used to mean lending money at any interest rate. In my book it still does. This mechanism is primarily the means by which the bankers get their power. Take away the profit and incentive of loaning money, and all of a sudden they have to actually WORK to make money. That's a highly simplified analysis, but what do you think of that theory?

I would like to think that to solve the problems associated with the current system, we need to think of a better system and begin to implement it on a small scale. If it works, it should displace the old and moldy one rather handily. Ultimately, I think people would rather be free than be slaves, and if they can learn to understand what real freedom is and how to get it... well, life could be a pretty amazing thing. A playground for big kids.

Peace, Bro

Tip
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Dear NWO,

You will go down soon,

Love,
Tip

[Delphius]

You may be right. I think the banking/money-lending industry is the primary means by which the elite robber barons take from the common people to load their coffers with ever-increasing wealth. Usury is a good word for it - legalized theft, even. Only a deeply entrenched, high-level conspiracy could allow these "business" practices to exist.

Much of the way our current banking system and free-market economy operates can be traced to the attitudes of Benjamin Franklin. Before the industrial age, clock-time was a tool used by local communities as way to schedule gatherings and organize the work-day. It was loosely structured and it differed from one community to the next. Time was a fairly innocuous and as yet uncommodified concept, and people where nowhere nearly enslaved to the wrist-watch as they are today. Some cultures, specifically some tribal communities in Africa, have no concept of clock-time as we know it today. People gathered when they gathered and there was no obligation to meet at any certain time! Imagine what life would be like without the structure (or stricture) of time!

Back to Benjamin Franklin - a book I recently read, The Freedom Manifesto, by Tom Hodgkinson, suggests that Franklin came up with the idea/adage: "time is money". Money lenders came up with the idea that they could charge interest on any debts collected over a certain period of time - effectively introducing time as a commodity into the market equation. Basically, this penalizes those whose financial means preclude their ability to pay debts in a timely manner. At a microcosmic level, individuals with limited means pay a proportionately higher level of interest on lines of credit than those who have greater material wealth (i.e., those with a greater level of investment in their material existence). The same equation holds true for our current system of taxation, where the working poor experience a proportionately higher burden to maintain the system which has alienated them. In a sense, it is not much different from American slavery, where Africans where stolen from their homeland in order to support a system that rejected their right to personhood.

In a broader scope, the international banking system is responsible for forcing struggling nations to cash in their sovereignty for monetary relief, when the source of their struggles is the global economy, the single largest threat to communal self-sufficiency. In any case, this might be a discussion better suited for the Central Banking topic. It is a topic with which I've done a fair amount of research, but I prefer to leave the discussion to the experts.

For a more comprehensive look at the banking system and a detailed history on the Rothschild family (which is inextricably linked to the the banking system as we know it today), check out: The Architecture of Modern Political Power and click on the chapter about The Banking Scam.

In any case, a discussion like this ought to give way to solutions. We are society of people that is programmed to seek material gain as a way of confirming self-worth. We are conditioned to store up treasures on this material plane of existence, and so long as the love of money and material wealth is the primary mode of satisfaction, we will find ourselves in debt for no amount of material wealth is enough when others have more. This is the destructive side of that spirit know as "competition", and the spirit upon which our system of capitalism is founded. It is only natural that a certain enemy reaches out from the darkness to profit from this condition. It may be that this same enemy planted the seed of material striving within the world population in a time of antiquity in order to create a target for manipulation, and to satisfy its own avaricious nature.

So as we understand the underlying nature or the root cause of this imbalance, we can look at ways to disconnect ourselves from the bondage of this trap at an energetic level. It is not just a matter of cutting up our credit cards, reducing our dependence upon global commodities, or living within our means. It is a matter of understanding our relationship to the material world as spiritual beings and reestablishing our connection with the wealth bestowed upon us by the creator - the wealth that can never be usurped by any external system of control - it is the eternal wealth that exists within our own hearts and it is not for sale!

[Tip]

Thanks for the link... I checked it out, and now I'm going to have to read the whole thing... (your link wasn't working, but I ran a search)

Another good one I could throw out there is a book, "The Creature From Jekyll Island". I'm about three-quarters done with it, but it has so far been astounding.

It's interesting what you say about time... I'll think about that some more... I read somewhere that Franky was likely a British agent. I could believe it.

Maybe the most amazing fact about the usury thing is that they charge all that interest on NOTHING! Are you familiar with fiat money? Our "beneficient" governments and the central bankers operate as a cabal/cartel. They can print money whenever they want. The politicians spend whatever they want, and the bankers collect the interest. We, the People, pay the interest-- otherwise known as inflation. And there was never any money (nothing of REAL value, anyway) to begin with.

I, for one, have begun to buy precious metals. I know I won't get rich doing this (and I don't really care), but at least the purchasing power of my labor can be preserved. I have an idea for a "bank"... I have talked to a few people about it, and it may become a reality, we'll have to wait and see. The central theory is to artificially back federal reserve notes with gold, and provide a means to protect labor against those who would steal it. I could tell you more about it on another thread if you want.

I agree with you about being and becoming connected spiritually to our surroundings. Ideally, everything on Earth shoud operate cooperatively with everthing else, to the benefit of everything. Synergy, I think, is the word for it. When negative forces enter that equation, though, they need to be contained or you will soon have chaos brewing. There is going to be a big fight soon, and I hope that people like you and me are ready for it. If we are in the right in our hearts, and it reflects in all that we do, the universe will agree with us and we will prevail.

I am working on some things (renewable energy, organic foods, get- off- the- grid stuff), but I'm trying to identify our enemy as well. I am nearly certain that the puppet masters will want to stop me, and I need to find the way around them. If I plant a fruit tree, and a beaver comes and chews it down for its dam, then how much was lost? I don't think it can be measured. So, since I understand that possibility, I put a cage around my little fruit tree and wait till it's big enough to stand on its own.

What I mean to say is that all our endeavors must be undertaken wisely, from an unassailable position, and in concert with our friends and allies. To figure out the specifics of any action to be taken, we need to have a near-perfect grasp of the opposition. To paraphrase the Art of War: Know yourself, know your enemy. If you know yourself, you win half of your battles... know your enemy, and you win them all.

The Rothschilds... what a shady bunch.

[Delphius]

Right on Tip for doing what you can to seek knowledge and preserve your freedom. I'll fix that link - there's definitely a lot of well-researched and referenced information on that website.

My knowledge about our fiat system of currency is somewhat limited, but what I do know is that it is responsible for the seemigly unlimited expansion of credit in this country and the current real estate crisis we are experiencing. Years ago, I predicted this very crisis would occur and it has now come to pass. Even the mainstream media can't hide the truth: dollar at an all-time low. (But then again, who is to say this isn't just a problem-reaction-solution conundrum, or a carefully-planned series of events designed to instill fear in the American public, much like the Great Depression. Was it not Charles Lindbergh who said, "from now on depressions will be scientifically created," back in 1913?)

What we know for sure is that having a currency backed by blind faith will ultimately lead us down the path of destitution, and we are rapidly moving in that direction as the purchasing power of Americans continues to fall through the floor. At the root, the science of economics is one that is based on a very intricate balance of supply and demand, and an understanding of production and consumption. The elite can only do so much in their attempts to manipulate this science to their own advantage before the pendulum must inevitably swing the other way...

As responsible consumers, we can do to better to preserve the fruits of our labor and correct this economic imbalance through our own responsible behaviors. Certainly, a commodity-backed system of currency - not subject to manipulation through inflation and other artificial pressures - is the key. But short of changing our own system of currency and banking, we can certainly take back our wealth by exchanging paper cash (that has no worth beyond it's "face" value) for precious metals or other products that have real value.

Again, this is worthy discussion for the Central Banking topic, and I'm always eager to learn more about this subject.

Thanks again, Tip.

[noahsark]

In response to the original post see:
http://oneheartbooks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=241#241

[zaneivy]

Ok, going to stick my proverbial newbie neck out here a bit...given that this is my first post on this forum, and say that my "guestuition" is that the top of the pyramid is somewhat "hyperdimensional" for lack of a better word... I respect mucho the Lion's recent recitation of the "Carlos/DonJuan" perspective of "the Predator" - although of course the description is probably largely metaphorical (but what isn't to one degree or another?)...

Ultimately, I kind of view manifestation as a laticework of emantations from the "One" which requires duality (and multiplicity) in order to enter into "manifestation." And so I think we kind of have a mirror-image thing taking place... "A pure and essential unity" being diversified...and how that may play out down here in hell...woops...on Earth...is that we have intimations of a loving ontological unity in diversity contrasted with a rather "darker" (although the term can be very misleading) sort of "unity" being acted out through a "power over others" pyramid game...

The Cassiopaean terminology for the basic dichotomy I guess is "service to self" vs. "service to others" (STS/STO) which I think CAN be helpful whether you buy into their whole mythos or not...although again, this may be perhaps rather metaphorical too... In Laura Knight-Jadczyk's book "The High Strangeness of Dimensions, Densities, and the Process of Alien Abduction" she does a pretty good job of discussing something like this cosmology which she attempts to tie in with the musings of Ibn Arabi from the Sufi tradition...

Of course, both the RA material (channeled) and to a lesser extent the Seth material (channeled) discuss this basic dichotomy too...

Now I don't particularly invest whole-heartedly (or "one-heartedly") into ANY material...and remind myself of Swedenberg's adage that "the spirits lie" - but nevertheless, so do the incarnate and so do our very own senses...and so, perhaps all information can be used for learning with discretion and flexibility...including the channeled stuff...

But at any rate...the whole transgenerational nature (seemingly) of the NWO game...suggests to me that its existence is more than "just" the designs of a bunch of nasty people...it is an intrinsic pattern within what I'll call "Creation" itself...although of course its manifestation will utilize vectors that are human...because at this level, that's where it's playing out...

Perhaps ultimately then, the whole seemingly nasty nature of the pyramid game, can be seen as a necessary part of the whole...for the whole to manifest in the particular...and perhaps to provide a "goad" of sorts, for the STO oriented-folks to reify their polarity, yes, but also to ultimately transcend it in a sense...

Some schools of Mahayana Buddhism for e.g. suggest that samsara (the round of birth and death - manifest existence as you will) is also "nirvana" (extinguishment/enlightenment...funny how these two opposite sorts of images are inherent in one word)...an idea that I also see somewhat more symbolically reflected in John's Revelation as the "sea of glass" and the "lake of fire"...and the intimations that these in fact may be "one" (the same) depending on one's spiritual (argh...for lack of a better term) "state."

Anyway, I better quit with this before I start sounding like some nasty echo of a Process Church tract or something...lol

Peace, Zane in Korea



Just some thoughts...

Zane

[Delphius]

Well stated. I can somehow liken it to a tree:

At the root, we experience the manifestation for what it is.
Further up the tree and outward to the branches, we can describe it as a way to better understand what it is, acknowledge the many ways it is experienced through language and symbolism, and realize who each of us is in relation to it.

Ultimately, there is no tree for we transcend the illusion of separation that gives it definition apart from each us, because it is merely a projection of one's self- and collective identity.

Transcendence is experiencing no separation between I and it, but only that single point of light (Creation) that encompasses all.